tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8664187.post113841043587440899..comments2024-01-10T04:48:38.766-05:00Comments on Procrastination Station | Author Vanessa Jaye: Out of the Freying pan.....vanessa jayehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11059178422559443067noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8664187.post-1138503294505967622006-01-28T21:54:00.000-05:002006-01-28T21:54:00.000-05:00And there's the irony, Nicole; all the hoopla is j...And there's the irony, Nicole; all the hoopla is just driving "the liar's" sales up. I bet if all the outraged persons thought on that for a split second, they'd STHUDQ. ;-Pvanessa jayehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11059178422559443067noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8664187.post-1138485080551988562006-01-28T16:51:00.000-05:002006-01-28T16:51:00.000-05:00I sooo agreed with you on this. I keep chuckling ...I sooo agreed with you on this. I keep chuckling about it and even asked my husband if he thought it might have been planned by a very smart man right from the get go -- sales have skyrocketed! What a way to increase your sales! Hilarious if you ask me. And like you said, its not like its changing anything in any of our lifes... why the hoopla? People have too much time on their hands when their making such a big deal out of silly things like this. :) Of course this is just my opinion.Cole Reisinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04017101938082651422noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8664187.post-1138470242554248222006-01-28T12:44:00.000-05:002006-01-28T12:44:00.000-05:00I wonder about the agent's silence too. We've had ...I wonder about the agent's silence too. We've had official statements from the editor and the publisher, but I've read/heard nothing from the agent. ::shrug::<BR/><BR/>And, yes. The same way you feel about the book read 4 yrs ago, is the way I feel about Frey's book. The revelations are unfortunate, but the book still resonates.vanessa jayehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11059178422559443067noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8664187.post-1138464803911573872006-01-28T11:13:00.000-05:002006-01-28T11:13:00.000-05:00I think you make a VERY valid point about the whol...I think you make a VERY valid point about the whole Oprah thing (and about the book doing well without her "stamp"). <BR/><BR/>I still wonder where his very siilent agent is, but I have to throw this out here...(andf this is not an about face from my post on Raine's blog) I totally see where you're coming from as far as the book itself is concerned. <BR/><BR/>About four years ago (right after mom died) I read a book by a woman that was later debunked as a work of fiction, though certainly not on this scale. I'm not sure what the final outcome was but I feel the same way about it that you seem to about Frey's book.Amie Stuarthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14145328243563702260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8664187.post-1138462412908683902006-01-28T10:33:00.000-05:002006-01-28T10:33:00.000-05:00Yah know, I promised myself, I was gonna post this...Yah know, I promised myself, I was gonna post this thing and then shut up, once I got it off my chest. If folks wanted to comment they could. If they didn't. No worries. I wasn't going to post reponses, yet here I am... lol.<BR/><BR/>Raine, while he did do a shitty thing, he's not a shit. Just my opinion. <BR/><BR/>Nothing is clear cut black and white. (See the Oprah thing above: some are saying- 'you go girl, take that lying bastard down.' Others are seeing it as purely an excercise in ego/face saving). <BR/><BR/>His publisher (agent?) clearly had some hand in this also. Mr. Frey had tried to publish the book as fiction, and was told they wouldn't buy it presented as such.... I think the cross Mr. Frey is being nailed to is way too big for his sins. <BR/><BR/>LOL @ <I>"...the memoir about what happened after we found out the memoir wasn't a memoir."</I>vanessa jayehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11059178422559443067noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8664187.post-1138461805639915342006-01-28T10:23:00.000-05:002006-01-28T10:23:00.000-05:00Cindy, I think that's part of why this hasn't faze...Cindy, I think that's part of why this hasn't fazed me that much. A memoir is clearly based on 'memory', which we know is a faulty thing. Nevermind he was remembering things from a time when he was recovering from drug & alcohol abuse. So I was already taking what he wrote with a big pinch of salt.<BR/><BR/>Again, not condoning his lying, just pointing out why I didn't feel this monumental sense of betrayal a bunch of people claim they did. <BR/><BR/>Ahh, back to Oprah. See, when Oprah first came out and said that the story still had relevance, emotional strength and many other attributes that folks should be focusing on rather than he lied, Lied, LIED! LIIIAAAAARRRRRRR!! etc., I believe she was speaking honestly. Not just because it jivves with my personal bias, but I've seen this *quiet* sort of response elsewhere, from people who had read the book. They enjoyed it. They've expressed their disappointment (not in a rending of garments type way) that Mr. Frey lied, but overall they still say it's a beautifully moving story and well-written.<BR/><BR/>I see rumblings that Oprah's about face as more to do with saving face. Her own. I didn't watch the the second show, nor the first, but while a number of people enjoyed watching her rip Frey a new one. Others were sickened by the spectacle. They turned the show off. Aparently Salon has an article up where they say Oprah went too far. And a recent Forbes (online) article pretty much connected Oprah's change of tune with the negative feedback she was getting after supporting/defending Frey on the King show. <BR/><BR/>Hmmm. How did I get to Oprah? Because I still contend this is mainly about her, and not Frey's lies. Taking a sideways step here, do people get this riled up about 'unauthorized biographies'? How many times have lawsuits been brought, and charges of unsubstantiated rumours printed as fact, etc happened because of those types of books. Yet, I still can't remember a kerfuffle of this magnitude happening. Or the writer/author being quite so vilified.vanessa jayehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11059178422559443067noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8664187.post-1138460339944629752006-01-28T09:58:00.000-05:002006-01-28T09:58:00.000-05:00Jordan, the more I think about the more I believe ...Jordan, the more I think about the more I believe the bruhaha is because of Oprah. <BR/><BR/>When I bought the book a couple of years ago, it didn't have the Oprah seal (of course) but across the top of the cover it had 'Nation Bestseller' (yeah, whatever that meant. heh) with a couple of pages in the front of the book loaded with reviews from various mags/newspapers--and I don't mean Buttpick Township Oracle, either. Several NY newsrags, plus mags like ELLE, DETAILS, GQ, etc carry pretty positive reviews. He was getting major national exposure. <BR/><BR/>Also, when I bought the book, it was also showcased prominently at the front of the bookstore (in Canada) in the 'recommended reading' section (yeah, the publisher probably bought the co-op space, but stil...). <BR/><BR/>I guess what I'm saying is, he wasn't doing too badly on sales with the book. While many may not have heard about him/the book, it's not like Oprah plucked him out of obscurity. Which may be the impression lots of folks have...vanessa jayehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11059178422559443067noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8664187.post-1138433150268526962006-01-28T02:25:00.000-05:002006-01-28T02:25:00.000-05:00There had to be 2 Oprah shows (the last one to cle...There had to be 2 Oprah shows (the last one to clean up her image). And since there were 2 Oprah shows, there had to be Larry King, and the other shows to tell us what happened on the Oprah show & then on the King show, etc., etc...<BR/><BR/>I think Frey's a shit. But yeah, it's been blown way out of proportion. It's the American way. ;-)<BR/><BR/>I'm waiting for the memoir about what happened after we found out the memoir wasn't a memoir.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8664187.post-1138430013968487302006-01-28T01:33:00.000-05:002006-01-28T01:33:00.000-05:00I had to go and look up memoir to make sure I unde...I had to go and look up memoir to make sure I understood. Would the world say an author is lying if they told their story the way they remembered it only to have a whole bunch of people come out and say it happened differently? Memories are personal and how someone perceives something is unique.<BR/><BR/>That said, I know Frey did more than that. He out right lied and I guess people were telling Oprah she sucked for sticking up for him.<BR/><BR/>Whatever. I did not read the book so can't comment on the emotions that were raised. I thought it was ridiculous when Oprah asked about Lilly and how she really died. Uh, she killed herself. Does it matter if she was hung or slit her wrists? Apparently it did for Oprah. <BR/><BR/>Ah well. Oprah got burned by what romance readers and writers and any genre learns early on. Sometimes the label is wrong ;)<BR/><BR/>You think they'll let this drop now? Of course the other interesting thing was that Frey had tried to get it published as fiction but was rejected.<BR/><BR/>CindySCindyShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18349459903336460467noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8664187.post-1138413194176419242006-01-27T20:53:00.000-05:002006-01-27T20:53:00.000-05:00I think you're right about the Oprah thing. I also...I think you're right about the Oprah thing. I also think it has a lot to do with this whole environment of political correctness. No one can lie unless you're in the government. *ggg*Jordan Summershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00437563784716604402noreply@blogger.com